Why India fails at Olympics

As expected Indian hopes are once again getting crushed at Rio Olympics. Reams of paper have been wasted on explaining why India performs so badly on sports. In the end, it boils down to two arguments:

1) Nature (i.e. genes)

2) Nurture (i.e. institutional infrastructure)

It is the same argument which is usually evoked while talking about educational outcomes. The genetic buildup of student and style of teaching/facilities both matter for the educational outcome. But what makes sports at Olympics different than educational outcome is that in the first case it is only the “crème de la crème” i.e. only the very best which matter. So, the average genetic makeup although important is not the only reason for bad performance.

A lot of Indians fall for the first argument, while it is the latter which matters equally. If genetics were the only reason for performance, then countries would not go up or down on the medal tally. Comparing Russia against China makes this point abundantly.

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Russia at Olympics
China at Olympics

Some quick points to notice here. Russians are slipping down the medal tally while Chinese have been on an upswing since their second debut in 1984. The number of Russian athletes participating at the Olympics has not gone down but they are winning fewer medals as well as gold medals. If this trend continues we would see further fall in Russian medal haul, which points towards deteriorating sporting facilities in Russia. This can become worse over time as Russia will lose key strategists and coaches over time if it does not perform well thereby losing historical advantage over time. China on the other hand is supposedly a poor country, with poor genetics but it is getting stronger year after year. Anyone who has gone to China can confirm the small size of an average Chinese. Even malnourished Indians look like giants in front of an average Chinese person. If it were just about genetics then China would have never made it to the top of the medal tally. So, what is working in favour of China?

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Population per medal: 2012 Olympics

This brings us to the second important point which is population size. The above graph gives population per medal and so darker green areas mean that more medals are won per capita. What is interesting to note here is that both India and China are white i.e. they both win few medals per capita although China wins a lot of medals while India wins almost none. China produces one Olympic medal for every 15 million people, while India takes 206 million. You can check more similar maps here. So technically speaking big population gives a big advantage not just to China but other decent performing countries with high population like in South America. So the genetic argument looks a little bit weak when you can choose from 15 million people like in case of China!

So Indians can have a bad genetic makeup which is not suited for sports for the general population but it should not stop them from producing decent sportsmen who can win few medals at the Olympics. Now lets look at some of the prominent Indian athletes to further understand the problem:

Sushil Kumar: Sushil Kumar was born in a Hindu Jat family of Baprola village,[15][16] near Najafgarh in South West Delhi. His father, Diwan Singh,[17] was a DTC bus driver, while his mother, Kamla Devi, is a housewife.

Vijender Singh: His father, Mahipal Singh Beniwal, is a bus driver with the Haryana Roadways, while his mother is a homemaker. His father drove extra buses for overtime pay so as to pay for Vijender and his elder brother Manoj’s education.

Mary Kom: Kom was born in Kangathei, in Churachandpur district of Manipur in eastern India. Her parents, Mangte Tonpa Kom and Mangte Akham Kom, worked in jhum fields.

These are just few examples to show the background of most of our athletes. Except the shooters like Abhinav Bindra and Gagan Narang, most come from very humble background. Sports is make or break for many of them and many give it up for lack of support from the government and sports agencies. Also, most of them start their career late and usually give up as soon as they land up some decent job. Olympics is not just about talent any more and need intensive training and proper nutrition. And given social apathy, it is surprising that Indian can churn out a few sportsmen.

So unless GoI decides to focus on sports to increase medal tally in the future or rich Indians take up sports in big numbers, India will continue to see itself at the bottom of medal tally. In the mean time, India should thank its bus driver and farmer parents for showing immense courage to help support sporting dreams of their kids.

Till then enjoy the Olympic spirit:

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  • Jimmy Smith

    Actually wrong, majority of India’s wrestlers are Jatts and they’re generally big and strong guys, almost 7 inches taller than the average indian, its due to their Scythian blood, the Pakistanis have the most hockey world cups in the world and fastest bowlers, lets not forget India was good at hockey when they had Pakistan’s punjab, the moment they lost Punjab, they lost hockey, also even though Gujjars are never given a chance to compete because of their poverty, I’ve seen them and they’re huge guys, probably the biggest on the planet, I’ve seen 7 ft + males in Jatts and Gujjars who both have a history of wrestling and stone lifting, the Russians are drugging themselves or else the kashmiri bhatts like ghulam pehlwan had a 5,000 win 0 loss record worldwide and was known to lift 1,200 kg which is 5× more than strongman atlas stones at 350 kg. You should look up the martial races of India.

    • C K G Gulia

      Actually right because of the truth of the Martial races likes the Jatts and more originating from within India as genetics, anthropology, morphology, linguistics, ethnography and more have proven. Unappealing and hurtful to the ”foreign origin theory of everything” supporters. Yet again. Jatts aren’t Scythian. Can’t prove it either but instead run on clap trap from 19th Century Eurocentric DIStorians. Also no genetic study has shown that they are the ”Scythians”. Also Eurocentric misapprpriation of the ”martial race theory” has also been debunked. ”You should look up the martial races of India”. You should also look up the genetic composition of Jatts. They have virtually no ”Saka” kinship. That too when history has shown that they were a demographic minority who have been driven out by the Guptas having been virtually ethnically cleansed. Right history and science. There is an apt reason why the author has refused to look at the anglicised martial race theory (which is basically to browbeat the fact that Indians are a martial bunch who can produce a concentrated group/guild of warriors to give them a run for their money). Because it’s BUNKUM. Inferiority complex runs in most Indians (and also in those who believe in the false martial race theory). It’s been dead. Old imperialist ideas persist in India. The 19th Century enfatuation with the martial race theory has been debunked. Yet because of the inertia of ignorance and the need to portray tales for the gullbile, it still remains. Jatts are a very high level the northwest. Here’s where your ”theory” is burnt nito the dust nistantly. They have R1a-z93 and M17. H-M69 (exclusive to India only) and M4. The oldest is in North and northwest India concerning that its origin is from there. JATTS carry this. The younger element is in Central Asia. Also, whereas the Central Asian one is HIV resistant, how does that explain your ”race theory” when it is in Central Asia and it isn’t even found in Europeans as their younger clades are Z280? The same is regarding J2 and J2b, J2b2b is also carried by many Punjabi, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh Jatts which originated from North Uttar Pradesh in what is today Kanpur. This has zero bearing with Central Asia and Eastern Europe so it’s only a gullible fit anyone would have if they happened to have found out that the martial race contribution was from India to elsewhere and not the other way round. It seems that it is necessary that the admin should write about concept of the debunked and still ongoing ”martial race theories” carried by the gullible with no factual proof and no genetic evidence to back it up as it shows just the exact opposite. To their dismay. Martial race theory (just like the Aryan theory to a greater extent) has just been fed to people to an ad nauseated extent. Just like all the filtered and tampered articles supported ‘’Aryan migration’’, the same subset (in case the AIT/AMT gets debunked). This myth of the Aryan theory is only now beginning to abate in which those who are invested in a particular group and that too based on Risley’s racially motivated census, they will be far more persistent/studdorn from changing their pre-conceived notions. This fake ‘’foreign’’ theory has been psychologically worked into European and non-European alike. Jatts (as well as many other Indians) are decades behind the rest of both other Indians and others in general to realise that just like the AIT/AMT the Scythian martial race theory has already been debunked.
      Another article needs to be written (with the use of genetics also) to dispel the fake martial race [in other words saying that Indians are weak and need foreigners to teach them, as they’re effeminate and (due to even more overwhelming and irrational fear that Indians have been able to fight well and retain themselvesunlike others in which an apt disinformation campaign to disseminate to their progeny would soften them up which shows that the more it is emphasised the more opposite it actualy is) all the other bunkum garbage as all doubts were dispelled in the conflicts India faced in the 20th Century and the rediscovery of what they did before as well. The martial race theory needs a fitting article. One which is long over due and is essentially the Aryan theory 2.1 and 2.2 (which is redundant since 2.0 has already been debunked).
      Genetics
      Jats and Gujjars both have Indic R1a, J2 and H (this has been proven for most samples collected and thus alone helps settle the matter altogether). This is reflected in the Roma having settled all over Europe and as far as Spain.

      Latest research has has shown that R1a1 is over 15,000 years old, hence the spread fo R1a has nothing to do with IE/Scythians, but with a migration after the Ice Age 10,000 yrs ago.However the high diversity of R1a in Eastern Europe and India suggest the migration of this group was rapid.The tribal groups also have a high diversity of R1a, therefore points to the fact that R1a originated from South Asia. (Jaspa).

      Considering how common L is in South Asia, it is also considerably common amongst Jats (busting the ‘’videshi’’ myth yet again). This is after Indian clades of R1a and of J2 and J2b.

      This is further bunkum considering that Jats and Bhutanese consist of both the same clades of L and R1a1 (unless someone diagresses even more and decides to call Bhutanese Scythians just to keep their 19th Century martial race theory going).

      R2 (Cousin of R1a1 and from South India) is prominent in Jats and accounts for up to 8%. Martial race? No again.

      R1a seems to have originated in south Asia, some settled in the Ukraine and then expanded across Eurasia quite recently. Another migration from northwest India happened into the Eastern Europe. Paricularly the Ukraine. Haplogroup P and hence R2 were also taken into the Ukraine and Belarus from India through another migration. Hence the migration was from India and to Europe via Central Asia and the Caucasus.

      Thus the above proves that the Jatts are no different from other north Indian populations. Especially northwestern populations.

      Only two people have ever said they are Scythians and due to their English origins this was snapped up and believed in an instant (without genetics or anything). These were Sir Alexander Cunnigham and Col James Tod and V. Smith etc who consider the Jats to be of Indo-Scythian stock. Bhim Singh Dahiya being the ‘’good Indian’’ he is followed suite. None of these claims have any bearing on fact. Start seeing the picture fully. Not ideologically.

      It is quite intriguing to know that since the mantle is being wielded by the West, these theories are still prevalent. Even when there is no support it is popular, just like it is being stated by some passing statements keen on making bunkum political brownie point with ZERO BEARING ON THE FACTS.
      It is even more intriguing to ponder over the bias of ‘’Indians being all foreigners and that they never moved out’’ (which is quite a contradictory oxymoron itself) when every single study has shown that Indians have migrated out multiple times.

      Dr Natthan Singh writes that Jats were the pure Aryans and their original homeland was Sapta Sindhu. On the basis of historical facts the Jats are reported to be present in India from 3102 BC. Due to this reason only Jats do not have linguistic or physical similarities with Huns and Scythians. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization.

    • C K G Gulia

      Actually quite wrong Jimmy. Quite wrong indeed.

      Actually right because of the truth of the so-called ‘’martial races’’ (having been debunked) like the Jatts and more originating from within India (being indigienous/autochthonous) as genetics, anthropology, morphology, linguistics, ethnography and more have proven. Unappealing and hurtful to the ”foreign origin theory of everything” supporters. Yet again. Jatts aren’t Scythian. Can’t prove it either but instead run on clap trap from 19th Century Eurocentric DIStorians. Also no genetic study has shown that they are the ”Scythians”. Also Eurocentric misapprpriation of the ”martial race theory” has also been debunked. ”You should look up the martial races of India”. You should also look up the genetic composition of Jatts. They have virtually no ”Saka” kinship. That too when history has shown that they were a demographic minority who have been driven out by the Guptas having been virtually ethnically cleansed. Right history and science. There is an apt reason why the author has refused to look at the anglicised martial race theory (which is basically to browbeat the fact that Indians are a martial bunch who can produce a concentrated group/guild of warriors to give them a run for their money). Because it’s BUNKUM. Inferiority complex runs in most Indians (and also in those who believe in the false martial race theory). It’s been dead. Old imperialist ideas persist in India. The 19th Century enfatuation with the martial race theory has been debunked. Yet because of the inertia of ignorance and the need to portray tales for the gullbile, it still remains. Jatts are a very high level the northwest. Here’s where your ”theory” is burnt nito the dust nistantly. They have R1a-z93 and M17. H-M69 (exclusive to India only) and M4. The oldest is in North and northwest India concerning that its origin is from there. JATTS carry this. The younger element is in Central Asia. Also, whereas the Central Asian one is HIV resistant, how does that explain your ”race theory” when it is in Central Asia and it isn’t even found in Europeans as their younger clades are Z280? The same is regarding J2 and J2b, J2b2b is also carried by many Punjabi, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh Jatts which originated from North Uttar Pradesh in what is today Kanpur. This has zero bearing with Central Asia and Eastern Europe so it’s only a gullible fit anyone would have if they happened to have found out that the martial race contribution was from India to elsewhere and not the other way round. It seems that it is necessary that the admin should write about concept of the debunked and still ongoing ”martial race theories” carried by the gullible with no factual proof and no genetic evidence to back it up as it shows just the exact opposite. To their dismay. Martial race theory (just like the Aryan theory to a greater extent) has just been fed to people to an ad nauseated extent. Just like all the filtered and tampered articles supported ‘’Aryan migration’’, the same subset (in case the AIT/AMT gets debunked). This myth of the Aryan theory is only now beginning to abate in which those who are invested in a particular group and that too based on Risley’s racially motivated census, they will be far more persistent/studdorn from changing their pre-conceived notions. This fake ‘’foreign’’ theory has been psychologically worked into European and non-European alike. Jatts (as well as many other Indians) are decades behind the rest of both other Indians and others in general to realise that just like the AIT/AMT the Scythian martial race theory has already been debunked.
      Another article needs to be written (with the use of genetics also) to dispel the fake martial race [in other words saying that Indians are weak and need foreigners to teach them, as they’re effeminate and (due to even more overwhelming and irrational fear that Indians have been able to fight well and retain themselvesunlike others in which an apt disinformation campaign to disseminate to their progeny would soften them up which shows that the more it is emphasised the more opposite it actualy is) all the other bunkum garbage as all doubts were dispelled in the conflicts India faced in the 20th Century and the rediscovery of what they did before as well. The martial race theory needs a fitting article. One which is long over due and is essentially the Aryan theory 2.1 and 2.2 (which is redundant since 2.0 has already been debunked).
      Genetics
      Jats and Gujjars both have Indic R1a, J2 and H (this has been proven for most samples collected and thus alone helps settle the matter altogether). This is reflected in the Roma having settled all over Europe and as far as Spain.
      Latest research has has shown that R1a1 is over 15,000 years old, hence the spread fo R1a has nothing to do with IE/Scythians, but with a migration after the Ice Age 10,000 yrs ago.However the high diversity of R1a in Eastern Europe and India suggest the migration of this group was rapid.The tribal groups also have a high diversity of R1a, therefore points to the fact that R1a originated from South Asia. (Jaspa).
      Considering how common L is in South Asia, it is also considerably common amongst Jats (busting the ‘’videshi’’ myth yet again). This is after Indian clades of R1a and of J2 and J2b.
      This is further bunkum considering that Jats and Bhutanese consist of both the same clades of L and R1a1 (unless someone diagresses even more and decides to call Bhutanese Scythians just to keep their 19th Century martial race theory going).
      R2 (Cousin of R1a1 and from South India) is prominent in Jats and accounts for up to 8%. Martial race? No again.
      R1a seems to have originated in south Asia, some settled in the Ukraine and then expanded across Eurasia quite recently. Another migration from northwest India happened into the Eastern Europe. Paricularly the Ukraine. Haplogroup P and hence R2 were also taken into the Ukraine and Belarus from India through another migration. Hence the migration was from India and to Europe via Central Asia and the Caucasus.
      Thus the above proves that the Jatts are no different from other north Indian populations. Especially northwestern populations.
      Only two people have ever said they are Scythians and due to their English origins this was snapped up and believed in an instant (without genetics or anything). These were Sir Alexander Cunnigham and Col James Tod and V. Smith etc who consider the Jats to be of Indo-Scythian stock. Bhim Singh Dahiya being the ‘’good Indian’’ he is followed suite. None of these claims have any bearing on fact. Start seeing the picture fully. Not ideologically.
      It is quite intriguing to know that since the mantle is being wielded by the West, these theories are still prevalent. Even when there is no support it is popular, just like it is being stated by some passing statements keen on making bunkum political brownie point with ZERO BEARING ON THE FACTS.
      It is even more intriguing to ponder over the bias of ‘’Indians being all foreigners and that they never moved out’’ (which is quite a contradictory oxymoron itself) when every single study has shown that Indians have migrated out multiple times.
      Dr Natthan Singh writes that Jats were the pure Aryans and their original homeland was Sapta Sindhu. On the basis of historical facts the Jats are reported to be present in India from 3102 BC. Due to this reason only Jats do not have linguistic or physical similarities with Huns and Scythians. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization.

  • C K G Gulia

    Actually right because of the truth of the so-called ”martial races” likes the Jatts and more originating from within India as genetics, anthropology, morphology, linguistics, ethnography and more have proven. Unappealing and hurtful to the ”foreign origin theory of everything” supporters. Yet again. Jatts aren’t Scythian. Can’t prove it either but instead run on clap trap from 19th Century Eurocentric DIStorians. Also no genetic study has shown that they are the ”Scythians”. Also Eurocentric misapprpriation of the ”martial race theory” has also been debunked. ”You should look up the martial races of India”. You should also look up the genetic composition of Jatts. They have virtually no ”Saka” kinship. That too when history has shown that they were a demographic minority who have been driven out by the Guptas having been virtually ethnically cleansed. Right history and science. There is an apt reason why the author has refused to look at the anglicised martial race theory (which is basically to browbeat the fact that Indians are a martial bunch who can produce a concentrated group/guild of warriors to give them a run for their money). Because it’s BUNKUM. Inferiority complex runs in most Indians (and also in those who believe in the false martial race theory). It’s been dead. Old imperialist ideas persist in India. The 19th Century enfatuation with the martial race theory has been debunked. Yet because of the inertia of ignorance and the need to portray tales for the gullbile, it still remains. Jatts are a very high level the northwest. Here’s where your ”theory” is burnt nito the dust nistantly. They have R1a-z93 and M17. H-M69 (exclusive to India only) and M4. The oldest is in North and northwest India concerning that its origin is from there. JATTS carry this. The younger element is in Central Asia. Also, whereas the Central Asian one is HIV resistant, how does that explain your ”race theory” when it is in Central Asia and it isn’t even found in Europeans as their younger clades are Z280? The same is regarding J2 and J2b, J2b2b is also carried by many Punjabi, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh Jatts which originated from North Uttar Pradesh in what is today Kanpur. This has zero bearing with Central Asia and Eastern Europe so it’s only a gullible fit anyone would have if they happened to have found out that the martial race contribution was from India to elsewhere and not the other way round. It seems that it is necessary that the admin should write about concept of the debunked and still ongoing ”martial race theories” carried by the gullible with no factual proof and no genetic evidence to back it up as it shows just the exact opposite. To their dismay. Martial race theory (just like the Aryan theory to a greater extent) has just been fed to people to an ad nauseated extent. Just like all the filtered and tampered articles supported ‘’Aryan migration’’, the same subset (in case the AIT/AMT gets debunked). This myth of the Aryan theory is only now beginning to abate in which those who are invested in a particular group and that too based on Risley’s racially motivated census, they will be far more persistent/studdorn from changing their pre-conceived notions. This fake ‘’foreign’’ theory has been psychologically worked into European and non-European alike. Jatts (as well as many other Indians) are decades behind the rest of both other Indians and others in general to realise that just like the AIT/AMT the Scythian martial race theory has already been debunked.

    Another article needs to be written (with the use of genetics also) to dispel the fake martial race [in other words saying that Indians are weak and need foreigners to teach them, as they’re effeminate and (due to even more overwhelming and irrational fear that Indians have been able to fight well and retain themselvesunlike others in which an apt disinformation campaign to disseminate to their progeny would soften them up which shows that the more it is emphasised the more opposite it actualy is) all the other bunkum garbage as all doubts were dispelled in the conflicts India faced in the 20th Century and the rediscovery of what they did before as well. The martial race theory needs a fitting article. One which is long over due and is essentially the Aryan theory 2.1 and 2.2 (which is redundant since 2.0 has already been debunked).

    Genetics

    Jats and Gujjars both have Indic R1a, J2 and H (this has been proven for most samples collected and thus alone helps settle the matter altogether). This is reflected in the Roma having settled all over Europe and as far as Spain.

    Latest research has has shown that R1a1 is over 15,000 years old, hence the spread fo R1a has nothing to do with IE/Scythians, but with a migration after the Ice Age 10,000 yrs ago.However the high diversity of R1a in Eastern Europe and India suggest the migration of this group was rapid.The tribal groups also have a high diversity of R1a, therefore points to the fact that R1a originated from South Asia. (Jaspa).
    Considering how common L is in South Asia, it is also considerably common amongst Jats (busting the ‘’videshi’’ myth yet again). This is after Indian clades of R1a and of J2 and J2b.

    This is further bunkum considering that Jats and Bhutanese consist of both the same clades of L and R1a1 (unless someone diagresses even more and decides to call Bhutanese Scythians just to keep their 19th Century martial race theory going).

    R2 (Cousin of R1a1 and from South India) is prominent in Jats and accounts for up to 8%. Martial race? No again.

    R1a seems to have originated in south Asia, some settled in the Ukraine and then expanded across Eurasia quite recently. Another migration from northwest India happened into the Eastern Europe. Paricularly the Ukraine. Haplogroup P and hence R2 were also taken into the Ukraine and Belarus from India through another migration. Hence the migration was from India and to Europe via Central Asia and the Caucasus.
    Thus the above proves that the Jatts are no different from other north Indian populations. Especially northwestern populations.

    Only two people have ever said they are Scythians and due to their English origins this was snapped up and believed in an instant (without genetics or anything). These were Sir Alexander Cunnigham and Col James Tod and V. Smith etc who consider the Jats to be of Indo-Scythian stock. Bhim Singh Dahiya being the ‘’good Indian’’ he is followed suite. None of these claims have any bearing on fact. Start seeing the picture fully. Not ideologically.

    It is quite intriguing to know that since the mantle is being wielded by the West, these theories are still prevalent. Even when there is no support it is popular, just like it is being stated by some passing statements keen on making bunkum political brownie point with ZERO BEARING ON THE FACTS.

    It is even more intriguing to ponder over the bias of ‘’Indians being all foreigners and that they never moved out’’ (which is quite a contradictory oxymoron itself) when every single study has shown that Indians have migrated out multiple times.

    Dr Natthan Singh writes that Jats were the pure Aryans and their original homeland was Sapta Sindhu. On the basis of historical facts the Jats are reported to be present in India from 3102 BC. Due to this reason only Jats do not have linguistic or physical similarities with Huns and Scythians. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization.

  • C K G Gulia

    No evidence or proof. Yet, plenty of evidence and proof for the Indian migration of the opposite. Of course some people have their loyalties and hence their confirmation bias which are used for the sake of disinformation. The majority of Indians have good genes, yet, they do not have the facilities nor the amenities to do so. Because of the truth of the so-called ‘’martial races’’ (having been debunked) like the Jatts and more originating from within India (being indigienous/autochthonous) as genetics, anthropology, morphology, linguistics, ethnography and more have proven. Aryan isn’t signified by any genetic marker as such. It’s a debunked Eurocentric obsession. In case it is. It would be intriguing to know that it went from India through the Northern Middle-East, Central Asia and Europe.
    Actually right because of the truth of the so-called ‘’martial races’’ (having been debunked) like the Jatts and more originating from within India (being indigienous/autochthonous) as genetics, anthropology, morphology, linguistics, ethnography and more have proven. Unappealing and hurtful to the ”foreign origin theory of everything” supporters. Yet again. Jatts aren’t Scythian. Can’t prove it either but instead run on clap trap from 19th Century Eurocentric DIStorians. Also no genetic study has shown that they are the ”Scythians”. Also Eurocentric misapprpriation of the ”martial race theory” has also been debunked. ”You should look up the martial races of India”. You should also look up the genetic composition of Jatts. They have virtually no ”Saka” kinship. That too when history has shown that they were a demographic minority who have been driven out by the Guptas having been virtually ethnically cleansed. Right history and science. There is an apt reason why the author has refused to look at the anglicised martial race theory (which is basically to browbeat the fact that Indians are a martial bunch who can produce a concentrated group/guild of warriors to give them a run for their money). Because it’s BUNKUM. Inferiority complex runs in most Indians (and also in those who believe in the false martial race theory). It’s been dead. Old imperialist ideas persist in India. The 19th Century enfatuation with the martial race theory has been debunked. Yet because of the inertia of ignorance and the need to portray tales for the gullbile, it still remains. Jatts are a very high level the northwest. Here’s where your ”theory” is burnt nito the dust nistantly. They have R1a-z93 and M17. H-M69 (exclusive to India only) and M4. The oldest is in North and northwest India concerning that its origin is from there. JATTS carry this. The younger element is in Central Asia. Also, whereas the Central Asian one is HIV resistant, how does that explain your ”race theory” when it is in Central Asia and it isn’t even found in Europeans as their younger clades are Z280? The same is regarding J2 and J2b, J2b2b is also carried by many Punjabi, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh Jatts which originated from North Uttar Pradesh in what is today Kanpur. This has zero bearing with Central Asia and Eastern Europe so it’s only a gullible fit anyone would have if they happened to have found out that the martial race contribution was from India to elsewhere and not the other way round. It seems that it is necessary that the admin should write about concept of the debunked and still ongoing ”martial race theories” carried by the gullible with no factual proof and no genetic evidence to back it up as it shows just the exact opposite. To their dismay. Martial race theory (just like the Aryan theory to a greater extent) has just been fed to people to an ad nauseated extent. Just like all the filtered and tampered articles supported ‘’Aryan migration’’, the same subset (in case the AIT/AMT gets debunked). This myth of the Aryan theory is only now beginning to abate in which those who are invested in a particular group and that too based on Risley’s racially motivated census, they will be far more persistent/studdorn from changing their pre-conceived notions. This fake ‘’foreign’’ theory has been psychologically worked into European and non-European alike. Jatts (as well as many other Indians) are decades behind the rest of both other Indians and others in general to realise that just like the AIT/AMT the Scythian martial race theory has already been debunked.
    Another article needs to be written (with the use of genetics also) to dispel the fake martial race [in other words saying that Indians are weak and need foreigners to teach them, as they’re effeminate and (due to even more overwhelming and irrational fear that Indians have been able to fight well and retain themselvesunlike others in which an apt disinformation campaign to disseminate to their progeny would soften them up which shows that the more it is emphasised the more opposite it actualy is) all the other bunkum garbage as all doubts were dispelled in the conflicts India faced in the 20th Century and the rediscovery of what they did before as well. The martial race theory needs a fitting article. One which is long over due and is essentially the Aryan theory 2.1 and 2.2 (which is redundant since 2.0 has already been debunked).
    Genetics
    Jats and Gujjars both have Indic R1a, J2 and H (this has been proven for most samples collected and thus alone helps settle the matter altogether). This is reflected in the Roma having settled all over Europe and as far as Spain.
    Latest research has has shown that R1a1 is over 15,000 years old, hence the spread fo R1a has nothing to do with IE/Scythians, but with a migration after the Ice Age 10,000 yrs ago.However the high diversity of R1a in Eastern Europe and India suggest the migration of this group was rapid.The tribal groups also have a high diversity of R1a, therefore points to the fact that R1a originated from South Asia. (Jaspa).
    Considering how common L is in South Asia, it is also considerably common amongst Jats (busting the ‘’videshi’’ myth yet again). This is after Indian clades of R1a and of J2 and J2b.
    This is further bunkum considering that Jats and Bhutanese consist of both the same clades of L and R1a1 (unless someone diagresses even more and decides to call Bhutanese Scythians just to keep their 19th Century martial race theory going).
    R2 (Cousin of R1a1 and from South India) is prominent in Jats and accounts for up to 8%. Martial race? No again.
    R1a seems to have originated in south Asia, some settled in the Ukraine and then expanded across Eurasia quite recently. Another migration from northwest India happened into the Eastern Europe. Paricularly the Ukraine. Haplogroup P and hence R2 were also taken into the Ukraine and Belarus from India through another migration. Hence the migration was from India and to Europe via Central Asia and the Caucasus.
    Thus the above proves that the Jatts are no different from other north Indian populations. Especially northwestern populations.
    Only two people have ever said they are Scythians and due to their English origins this was snapped up and believed in an instant (without genetics or anything). These were Sir Alexander Cunnigham and Col James Tod and V. Smith etc who consider the Jats to be of Indo-Scythian stock. Bhim Singh Dahiya being the ‘’good Indian’’ he is followed suite. None of these claims have any bearing on fact. Start seeing the picture fully. Not ideologically.
    It is quite intriguing to know that since the mantle is being wielded by the West, these theories are still prevalent. Even when there is no support it is popular, just like it is being stated by some passing statements keen on making bunkum political brownie point with ZERO BEARING ON THE FACTS.
    It is even more intriguing to ponder over the bias of ‘’Indians being all foreigners and that they never moved out’’ (which is quite a contradictory oxymoron itself) when every single study has shown that Indians have migrated out multiple times.
    Dr Natthan Singh writes that Jats were the pure Aryans and their original homeland was Sapta Sindhu. On the basis of historical facts the Jats are reported to be present in India from 3102 BC. Due to this reason only Jats do not have linguistic or physical similarities with Huns and Scythians. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l7VsR-dW-c

    This is the truth.

  • C K G Gulia

    The proof provided was in response to Jimmy’s false claims.

  • C K G Gulia

    Actually right because of the truth of the so-called ‘’martial races’’ (having been debunked) like the Jatts and more originating from within India (being indigienous/autochthonous) as genetics, anthropology, morphology, linguistics, ethnography and more have proven they are local according to every major study. Unappealing and hurtful to the ”foreign origin theory of everything” supporters. Yet again. Jatts aren’t Scythian. Can’t prove it either but instead run on clap trap from 19th Century Eurocentric DIStorians. Also no genetic study has shown that they are the ”Scythians”. Also Eurocentric misapprpriation of the ”martial race theory” has also been debunked. ”You should look up the martial races of India”. You should also look up the genetic composition of Jatts. They have virtually no ”Saka” kinship. That too when history has shown that they were a demographic minority who have been driven out by the Guptas having been virtually ethnically cleansed. Right history and science. There is an apt reason why the author has refused to look at the anglicised martial race theory (which is basically to browbeat the fact that Indians are a martial bunch who can produce a concentrated group/guild of warriors to give them a run for their money). Because it’s BUNKUM. Inferiority complex runs in most Indians (and also in those who believe in the false martial race theory). It’s been dead. Old imperialist ideas persist in India. The 19th Century enfatuation with the martial race theory has been debunked. Yet because of the inertia of ignorance and the need to portray tales for the gullbile, it still remains. Jatts are a very high level the northwest. Here’s where your ”theory” is burnt nito the dust nistantly. They have R1a-z93 and M17. H-M69 (exclusive to India only) and M4. The oldest is in North and northwest India concerning that its origin is from there. JATTS carry this. The younger element is in Central Asia. Also, whereas the Central Asian one is HIV resistant, how does that explain your ”race theory” when it is in Central Asia and it isn’t even found in Europeans as their younger clades are Z280? The same is regarding J2 and J2b, J2b2b is also carried by many Punjabi, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh Jatts which originated from North Uttar Pradesh in what is today Kanpur. This has zero bearing with Central Asia and Eastern Europe so it’s only a gullible fit anyone would have if they happened to have found out that the martial race contribution was from India to elsewhere and not the other way round. It seems that it is necessary that the admin should write about concept of the debunked and still ongoing ”martial race theories” carried by the gullible with no factual proof and no genetic evidence to back it up as it shows just the exact opposite. To their dismay. Martial race theory (just like the Aryan theory to a greater extent) has just been fed to people to an ad nauseated extent. Just like all the filtered and tampered articles supported ‘’Aryan migration’’, the same subset (in case the AIT/AMT gets debunked). This myth of the Aryan theory is only now beginning to abate in which those who are invested in a particular group and that too based on Risley’s racially motivated census, they will be far more persistent/studdorn from changing their pre-conceived notions. This fake ‘’foreign’’ theory has been psychologically worked into European and non-European alike. Jatts (as well as many other Indians) are decades behind the rest of both other Indians and others in general to realise that just like the AIT/AMT the Scythian martial race theory has already been debunked.

    Jatts are hence not Scythians (unless they take the likes of pen pusher’s in the 19th Century blindly).
    Another article needs to be written (with the use of genetics also) to dispel the fake martial race [in other words saying that Indians are weak and need foreigners to teach them, as they’re effeminate and (due to even more overwhelming and irrational fear that Indians have been able to fight well and retain themselvesunlike others in which an apt disinformation campaign to disseminate to their progeny would soften them up which shows that the more it is emphasised the more opposite it actualy is) all the other bunkum garbage as all doubts were dispelled in the conflicts India faced in the 20th Century and the rediscovery of what they did before as well. The martial race theory needs a fitting article. One which is long over due and is essentially the Aryan theory 2.1 and 2.2 (which is redundant since 2.0 has already been debunked).

    GENETICS

    Jats and Gujjars both have Indic R1a, J2 and H (this has been proven for most samples collected and thus alone helps settle the matter altogether). This is reflected in the Roma having settled all over Europe and as far as Spain.

    Latest research has has shown that R1a1 is over 15,000 years old, hence the spread fo R1a has nothing to do with IE/Scythians, but with a migration after the Ice Age 10,000 yrs ago.However the high diversity of R1a in Eastern Europe and India suggest the migration of this group was rapid.The tribal groups also have a high diversity of R1a, therefore points to the fact that R1a originated from South Asia. (Jaspa).

    Considering how common L is in South Asia, it is also considerably common amongst Jats (busting the ‘’videshi’’ myth yet again). This is after Indian clades of R1a and of J2 and J2b.

    This is further bunkum considering that Jats and Bhutanese consist of both the same clades of L and R1a1 (unless someone diagresses even more and decides to call Bhutanese Scythians just to keep their 19th Century martial race theory going).

    R2 (Cousin of R1a1 and from South India) is prominent in Jats and accounts for up to 8%. Martial race? No again.

    R1a seems to have originated in south Asia, some settled in the Ukraine and then expanded across Eurasia quite recently. Another migration from northwest India happened into the Eastern Europe. Paricularly the Ukraine. Haplogroup P and hence R2 were also taken into the Ukraine and Belarus from India through another migration. Hence the migration was from India and to Europe via Central Asia and the Caucasus.
    Thus the above proves that the Jatts are no different from other north Indian populations. Especially northwestern populations.

    Only two people have ever said they are Scythians and due to their English origins this was snapped up and believed in an instant (without genetics or anything). These were Sir Alexander Cunnigham and Col James Tod and V. Smith etc who consider the Jats to be of Indo-Scythian stock. Bhim Singh Dahiya being the ‘’good Indian’’ he is followed suite. None of these claims have any bearing on fact. Start seeing the picture fully. Not ideologically.

    It is quite intriguing to know that since the mantle is being wielded by the West, these theories are still prevalent. Even when there is no support it is popular, just like it is being stated by some passing statements keen on making bunkum political brownie point with ZERO BEARING ON THE FACTS.
    It is even more intriguing to ponder over the bias of ‘’Indians being all foreigners and that they never moved out’’ (which is quite a contradictory oxymoron itself) when every single study has shown that Indians have migrated out multiple times.

    Dr Natthan Singh writes that Jats were the pure Aryans and their original homeland was Sapta Sindhu. On the basis of historical facts the Jats are reported to be present in India from 3102 BC. Due to this reason only Jats do not have linguistic or physical similarities with Huns and Scythians. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization. This view is also supported by Thakur Deshraj who writes that on the basis of ethnological, physical, cultural and linguistic standards Jats are pure Aryans who inhabited the areas on the banks of Ganga-Yamuna or Sarswati-Sindhu during Vedic civilization.